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Re: wind farms etc
« Reply #15 on: 14 September 2009, 23:15:02 »
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Re: wind farms etc
« Reply #16 on: 15 September 2009, 11:27:41 »
if we want tostop the carbon footprint then you will have to stop all bombing around the world first, im sure chemical bombs have got to cause more destruction of the ozone than, us having no carrier bags, or green energy etc. you really do get fed up of hearing we should do this or that, and everytime something does come up . then some group , :halo:that like their 15 mins of fame start hollering that its not right. as kevin said we have loads of flat land and wind turbines do not need to be near homes, but then you have the groups that say oh no you cant do that it is an eyesore you just cant win.
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« Reply #17 on: 16 September 2009, 00:13:02 »
This was 'officially' announced in Jan 2008 but they have been talking about it for more than 10 years now.
Al they have to do is make it work and convince the fishermen that it will not deplete the stocks.
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Fundy tidal power demonstration approved

The Fundy tidal power demonstration project in the Minas Basin, near Parrsboro, was given the green light Tuesday by Nova Scotia's Environment Minister Sterling Belliveau.

The project, first announced in January 2008, would set up $10-million research facility to test underwater turbines to convert tidal energy into electricity, subject to passing a strategic environmental assessment.

The Environment Department said the project has passed the assessment and will be subject to strict conditions to protect the environment.

Among the conditions are that Fundy Ocean Research Centre for Energy is responsible for developing a comprehensive environmental effects monitoring program and establishing an environmental effects advisory committee.

The marine demonstration site will consist of three underwater berths for turbines located in the Minas Passage, home of the highest tides in the world.

Belliveau said he sees tidal power as a way of helping Nova Scotia meet 25 per cent of its energy requirements from renewable sources.

But he's also a longtime commercial fisherman who knows the lobstermen in the Bay of Fundy are worried the turbines may change fish migration patterns.

"These questions are not going to be addressed unless you have a demonstration project. I think you can basically cannot sit in a conference room and get the answer to that," Belliveau said.

"You have to go out in the real world. There's going to be further environmental studies that will have to be done if the project is going to go to the next stage, to the commercial. This information will be a valuable tool in making recommendations at that given time."

Belliveau said fishermen must be included on an advisory committee, and the companies must monitor the impact of tidal turbines on birds and fish.

If there are any adverse consequences, Belliveau said he wouldn't hesitate to quash the project.

"The minister of environment has the authority to stop it any time, and I would not hesitate if the science and adverse effects were there," he said.

Mark Taylor, who fishes for lobster in the bay, has concerns about the technology, but he said he is willing to accept the environment minister's assurances.

"I think we'd be agreeable to that as long as he holds to his word that he will pull them out if there's any effects. I mean we're losing fishing ground as it is and we should be compensated for that, if nothing else," he said.

The objectives of the demonstration facility project as proposed by the proponent are to:

    * Build and operate a tidal energy demonstration facility to test the commercial potential of in-stream tidal-energy devices designed to convert tidal kinetic energy to electrical energy.
    * Acquire information necessary to assess the performance of tidal energy devices including their effect on the environment and the effect of the environment on the devices.
    * Develop monitoring techniques and methodologies for these devices in the tidal environment.

The three companies chosen for the project are:

    * Minas Basin Pulp and Power.
    * Nova Scotia Power.
    * B.C.-based Clean Current.

Nova Scotia Power is working toward putting a commercial size turbine in the bay by October, while Minas Basin Pulp and Power is aiming for next spring.

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Re: wind farms etc
« Reply #18 on: 16 September 2009, 00:25:33 »
we need more nuclear power really, it's the most sensible option. Volcanoes are a big problem, producing vastly moere than we do
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« Reply #19 on: 16 September 2009, 05:39:01 »
I was reading in the paper today that the cost of recycling nuclear waste is so prohibitively expensive that most countries just pile up their spent fuel and store it instead of recycling what they can.

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« Reply #20 on: 22 September 2009, 22:26:16 »
the waste is a downside of it, but on the whole it's still the cleanest form of energy
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« Reply #21 on: 23 September 2009, 05:11:34 »
Aren't wind turbines, solar panels and hydro-electric power as clean as nuclear.  And there's no waste to deal with.

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« Reply #22 on: 24 September 2009, 00:47:15 »
wind turbines are expensive don't last long in the scheme of things require wind, and require the baseload to be taken up by something when the wind is not blowing. at large cost as no company wants to run a power station that's used occasionally, you can't just switch them on and off, we have stations that pump water up hill overnight and can be used to cope with sudden power demands in seconds. both use extinct volcanoes. http://www.fhc.co.uk/ffestiniog.htm http://www.fhc.co.uk/dinorwig.htm.
hydro requires flooding of large areas of land. solar requires sunlight not great in the UK, and solar panels are very expensive and inefficient and use toxic processes.
nuclear is the best option at the moment. But seen some really good tech that maybe available in about 15 years. uses an antenna to pic up infrared can get energy from IR from the sun even through cloud and overnight and from the earth. looks promising American tech
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