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Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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16 April 2008, 17:20:05 »
I`ve heard rumours, that it is best to purchase your diesel for your car, early in the mornings.
As it is thicker then, and you get more for your money. Is that right, or is it myth?
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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16 April 2008, 17:42:29 »
Ah ha now as an engineer I may be able to assist you in the question you have put to the test.
Should you buy your diesel in the morning?
Well here we go then in a nut shell NO but there is where other things are to be taken into account.
Diesel in this country should have a specific gravity of around 0.86 (lighter than water which is 1.0 sg) the fuel you get from the garage should be stored underground! thus it is not affected by our weather conditions in that the it will not expand / contract to the extent that it will make a noticable difference at the pump.
If you can get fuel from above ground tanks and the weather is cold enough then yes get it but it may just have "waxed" by then so not much use to you. Diesel will freeze
Any storage capacity for fuel in any large amount should only be filled to 90% this will allow for expansion in hot weather or external heating?
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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16 April 2008, 17:47:17 »
Yes, I think I got that, ( you know your stuff!)
so not worth me going to fill car up, at the crack of dawn.
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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Dont think dawn woud be too happy
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Sorry just my daft mind
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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16 April 2008, 23:07:50 »
In Australia, it's recommended that you purchase fuel in the early morning or late evening due to expansion/contraction. I suppose that includes diesel
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Quote from: Gerry on 16 April 2008, 23:07:50
In Australia, it's recommended that you purchase fuel in the early morning or late evening due to expansion/contraction. I suppose that includes diesel
Petrol / gas expands more than diesel and is affected by external temps to a greater degree so you are possibly right Gerry but there is very little fuel in a petrol pump and the rest is stored under ground where the temperature is virtually stable so no effect there then and as you pump the fuel through the petrol pump the area affected by the ambient temperature is cooled by the fuel passing through.
Long story short and the same for any fuel IF it is stored in mass above ground then the ambient temperature can have some effect on its volume, now I don't know any public garage where volatile fuel is stored above ground.
Where it is stored it is normally kept in twin skin vessels (tanks) this reduces external effects.
If you filled your fuel tank completely to the top in the early morning and then parked your vehicle all day in the sun then the expansion would cause your tank overflow to let the expanded fuel out which you have paid for so you loose. though the construction of fuel tanks is such that there is 99% of the time an air gap trapped in the tank, even when the fuel is at the top of the filler neck.
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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I remember in the 70's when I took my daughter to one of her 'Fun Runs'. There was a petrol strike and I bought some extra fuel just in case. I stored it in the boot in a PLASTIC container. the temperature was 40c and I went into the boot for something and the petrol container was like a balloon. I unscrewed the container slowly and you could hear the fumes gush out.
Was I lucky or what??????????
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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I would say you were lucky in that the can did not rupture.
I try not to have fuel in cans and when I do I only have half filled then give the can a little squeeze to push out some of the air that gives room for some expansion through vaporization if it happens.
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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Something I have wondered is true, TGID claims that during winter months it is best for him too leave both petrol tanks full on his Jag, to stop the tanks rusting out, last time he did this was about 80+ pounds in.
I dread what would happen if his garage, was to catch on fire, with that amount of petrol stored.
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Mmm Tech head on again (could I charge for this?) well err TGID has a valid point, while petrol does not suffer so much with condensation as opposed to diesel both fuels do float on top of water!
which is where the "rusting out" comes from Oh before I forget modern fuel is cleaner than of old so therefor there is less harmfull oxides within it.
Back to the real thing, and just to please you TM. Diesel is an oil and contains lots of stuff to make it burn cleaner Oh and remove the "knock" from the engine. (that horrible clanking sound that diesel engines make)
Diesel oil has a detergent additive in it to help stop particle sludging then it has other much for other things all of which when allowed to warm then cool then warm etc create moisture ie water. this lays in the bottom of the fuel tank and if the inner coating of the fuel tank becomes damaged then = drip drip drip
This is similar for petrol being that there is a lot less in it but it is highly flamable (its refined to a greater degree) as above and the moisture and the tank coating.
Did I not mention the tank coatings? Old cars / trucks etc had steel tanks much the same as today, only now the insides are coated with a special paint to combat the effects from the fuels and moisture's. (I m enjoying this)
So NOW FOR THE GOOD BIT.......
There are products on the market that you can add to your fuel tank to dispurse ALL the water / moisture accumulated within not only your tank but ALL your fuel system £ 3:00 ish depending on where you get it.
To name a few companies STP, Castrol, Whinns Slick50.
In a nut shell stick a bottle of stuff in each tank and forget the rest!
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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Thanks for your detailed analysis, I found that very interesting
Best not tell you bout the time, I stuck petrol in the diesel Cavalier, few months back.
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Quote from: ticklemouse on 18 April 2008, 21:16:03
Thanks for your detailed analysis, I found that very interesting
Best not tell you bout the time, I stuck petrol in the diesel Cavalier, few months back.
PLONKA!!
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Re: Is it best to buy diesel in mornings?
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Yes there I was driving along, splutter splutter, foot on accelerator hard to the floor, speeding along at 15mph. Hard to start, spose was lucky didn`t do any serious damage. think if was other way, diesel in petrol worse, Is that right Rad?
Car not moving, in end, I filled it up with diesel, crossed my fingers, and hoped get home.
And to this day, I never told TGID.
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Yes you were very lucky to get away with that and you are right diesel in petrol cars is worse because petrol and diesel are ignited in different ways petrol is ignited via a spark but diesel is done with compression and is injected at a high mist pattern
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